Why hasn't the damn obvious been stated yet. It is seriously more difficult to read (well, more straining anyway) full sentences or paragraphs in capital letters. I notice that quite a lot of stuff released here in Turkey, press releases, statements on Turkish language forums etc is done all caps and it is just annoying.

Offensive, obscene, crude, rude, racially or religiously biggoted - all deserve a slap! But 'Annoying'??? Surely you can just click off or down..on to something else. Why delete something that's personally or subjectively annoying? I find some of the avatars annoying as fcuk, some give me headaches to be truthful. But you can chose to read that person's posts or not.
What's the point in 21 gun salute when one is loud enough?
Expression is all we have on this forum, expression is individial, unless it come under one of the categories above, let it be and embrace our artistic differences. Nazi Germany wanted a clone society, we don't...do we?

typing in CAPS is shouting and rude and posting dozens of the same smilies is also annoying and slows down the time it takes a page to load and adds extra bandwidth which costs and is not free.

what about photos and also some beavis and buthead cartoon then? they dont take up space? that is funny.

and I also received an anonymous pm from administrator which was not very professionally edited. using words such as "capish?"


I am really off to lunch and will try to forgive.

I dont know what is anonymous about a PM when it is signed off from FD.

[quote user="dekolte" post="46080"]what about photos and also some beavis and buthead cartoon then? they dont take up space? that is funny.
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No they dont because those Photos are hosted on a remote site (not EiT) so we dont pay for that bandwidth but the smilies are on this site.

If you have a problem email or PM admin or one of the moderators.
If you dont know who the admins are then they are:

Flying dutchman...aka FD
JohnF.....aka JF
myself.....aka too many names to mention

moderators are
charly
simonB
pollyanna

capish?

[quote user="dekolte" post="46080"]and I also received an anonymous pm from administrator which was not very professionally edited. using words such as "capish?"[/quote]

I'm tempted not to prolong the argument but nah, fcuk it. Pots kettles and black m'dear.

Look guys, the debate hasn't solved anything....think it's time everybody kissed and made up, before it turns too ugly..


Miss Dek Destroyer mentioned something that should be observed and remembered..

''we are a socially involved bunch. we have been shouting at each other, calling each other names, playing poker, peeing and puking in our trousers while together and stuff''

No real harm done...a few upsets, misinterpretations, sensitivities...BUT noone's died, physically wounded, flat has flooded (actually that is true!)

I am with Gilly here. Lets kiss and be sweet again.

[quote user="simonb" post="46089"] I'm tempted not to prolong the argument but nah, fcuk it. Pots kettles and black m'dear.[/quote]

Me too, but:

1. There is a difference between someone whose first language is not English not always being able to use that language perfectly and someone (whose first language is not English, I reiterate) being hurt by a punitive PM that contained phrases such as "if you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen". Plus please note that this punishment was in relation to the use of CAPITALS not in relation to the use of emoticons.

2. The point about emoticons and bandwith is a good one. Admins/Mods please can you make a general post about this so everyone on the forum is aware (I did not realise this until today and I seem to remember Matt getting a bit excited about Andy C a while back).

3. The point about capitals has still not adequately been answered. To rephrase my earlier point how is "THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I SAW REBELS WIN! I AM SO GLAD THAT NOW WE CAN FOLLOW YOU MAILS, YOU ETNHOGRAPHIC CONTRIBUTOR" ruder than "this is the first time i saw rebels win! i am so glad that now we can follow your mails, you ethnographic contributor"? I just can't see it.

4. Given all of this is fairly unimportant in the bigger scheme of things, perhaps the post in 3 in capitals (which sparked such a reaction) might be fall under Gilly's earlier post about freedom of personal expression and be allowed to pass unpunished.

Lawyers......

Very craftily done dekolte. To give the matter public exposure while the admins took every effort to handle it privately by means of sending you an urgent private message. But since you have chosen to go public you leave us no other choice then to defend our actions in public as well. Your condescending tone from [url="http://forum.expatinturkey.com/viewtopic.php?p=46044#46044"]this[/url] post is not appreciated by us neither is the fact you have 'craftily' left out the details of the course of action that took place yesterday, in your first post of this thread.

What dekolte very handily failed to mention in her first post is that the posts (2) made by her had not been deleted at first et all. They had rather been edited by the administrator to include a footnote saying: 'don't shout [all CAPS] please!' notice the word 'please' and the messages in all capitals had been given a white font colour against a white background but leaving the messages intact.

Normally we would have left it at that, a remark/request and that's that. For example, like we have done before with people who posted messages in a language other than English. However dekolte edited the posts again, removing the administrator comments and rather then changing the messages to small-case left the message unchanged in all capitals. This last event sparked the writing of a private message to dekolte saying that if the administrators warned her off on something she wrote in the forums she better take up such warnings.

Fair? Some say perhaps not, but then again we have banned people for less. And if you think the management of this fora has got it wrong then sure, go ahead say something about it. But to paint us black in a public forum when initially the matter was a private one is taking things too far! To say we don't professionally edit our communication with our members is explained by the sticky of this forum saying that the members of the administrator and moderator team all help you on a voluntary basis and that this basically means that you can not demand anything from anyone. That includes professionally edited communication. Neither are we professional editors nor do we run this web site for a living!

As simonb stated in this post, we (admins and mods) allow things to pass until they get to the point where it annoys the fcuk out of one of us and then something gets done.

To conclude: some advice to all of you who frequent these fora: if you don`t like something on this web site or disagree about the way how it is run by the administrators then simply press the "back" button and never come again!

Now excuse us whilst we will edit out the excessive use of smileys from the first post and delete dekolte's account.

Really 'hurt'? I guess given that the contents are now public rather than the intended private must smart a bit too? When it all comes down to it are we not talking about a bloody internet forum. It's not the end of the world. So what if you can't post all in caps. does that really impinge upon your human rights?

Right I personally apologise to Derya for taking the piss re. pot kettle statement. No hurt was intended and you will hear no more from me on this issue.

Damn it that pesky admin. beat me to it.

Please change the capitals in your 'locations' please mod and admin chaps!

[quote user="administrator" post="46099"] What dekolte very handily failed to mention in her first post is that the posts (2) made by her had not been deleted at first et all. They had rather been edited by the administrator to include a footnote saying: 'don't shout [all CAPS] please!' notice the word 'please' and the messages in all capitals had been given a white font colour against a white background but leaving the messages intact.:[/quote]



Again please excuse my ignorance about the subtelties of online etiquette, but what is the difference between "deleting" a post and putting a message in a white font colour against a white background but leaving the messages intact. Does it not appear to be deleted?

To put it bluntly, my question is why someone's joy at being able to read another person's previous posts (expressed through the use of CAPITALS) should be attacked (even relatively politely in English terms), leaving that person to feel embarassed and hurt? There was no need.

However, I am willing to accept that an admin was having a bad day and overeacted (just as I have overeacted to this thread- I just do not like to see people get hurt). So I hope you were not serious about deleting her account and I hope we can agree to forgive and forget otherwise I am happy to press that back button.